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Absolutely did not expect to strike a chord with everyone else on this one.

I'm going to mute this so that my notifications don't spend the rest of the day blowing up. But thank you all for being so cool about it. So far, going micro-viral on Mastodon has been a far better experience than it ever was on Twitter.

@epidiah

When I read these I ALWAYS assume that the app can track something that the website can't and they WANT you to use the app for that reason.

@clockwooork @epidiah Well, of course! Instead of just taking whatever they can get from your browser, they've got access to your whole device. Also makes it easier for them to send you notifications and get more of your screen time.

@clockwooork @epidiah
It's true and now they won't let you leave the app if you click on a link. It opens in their browser and you can't alter any of its settings. I'm sure it's tracking, why else bother with this effort?

@clockwooork @epidiah This is the reason fast food places push so hard for you to download their app to order "exclusive" items. Their apps track as much as Facebook does. Terrifying...

@allenstenhaus @clockwooork @Epidiah well don't want to say it likely does not matter, but if you ask them its just engagement statistics.

Not (only) getting them but the comparison. Its industries common knowledge: apps have much higher engagement and keep users in your app/let them use and interact much more. (Even for apps or services without any ads.)

@epidiah It does point to what I'll call "intentional shitification".

The whole "download my app!" incentive structure in general is a scourge.

@float13 @epidiah

Yeah, the end-goal is always to get you fully immersed in the social media ecosystem where your desire metrics, thoughts and dreams can be measured and commodified to feed targeted advertisements into your unwilling maw.

@epidiah I think there's a few typos in the text. It should read "Install the app so we can monetize more of your data". What a misprint huh.

@epidiah

It's #JAFW (Just a FsckN Website) in my mind so... Yeah. Send me the HTML. Thnx 😆

@epidiah

Translation: ”We can't track you unless you use the app”

@epidiah@dice.camp I am continually impressed by how much effort Reddit is putting in to make using their website an absolutely miserable experience no matter what device you use it on or what app you use to do so

@Epidiah who's fault is it when the apps are so large I have to use it on mobile browser?😂

@epidiah I find that sometimes they lie. The web version looks better

@epidiah I'm just happy they stopped telling me I could either use the app or open in Chrome when I visit from Firefox. I mean clicking to open in Chrome always just proceeded with Firefox anyway but it still annoyed the crap out of me lol

@epidiah File a bug report so they can fix their webpage.

@epidiah also in the app the adblocker doesn't work. Might have something to do with that message

@Epidiah some day it's going to have been 20 years since i last installed somebody's app and discover that apps started supporting multiple tabs and pinch zoom 15 years ago.

@Epidiah "We want to encourage you to use a device that you probably don't have an adblocker installed on, where we can more easily collect marketable metrocs about you without your consent."

@Epidiah This page looks worse in the app [Download]

@epidiah This is very annoying.

Also: "log in to join the conversation"

ok...guess I won't be "joining the conversation" then.

@epidiah I don't know, but it's a rather brutal indictment considering the abysmal UX nightmare that is the Reddit app.

@epidiah "looks better" is code for "looks better for our big data gathering systems". Often it doesn't actually look any better in the app at all.

@epidiah

A developer/moderator(?) for Reddit stated, at the time that they removed the option to disable the Reddit app popups, that it was to consolidate settings, and various other non-committal statements.

They tried to heavily imply the setting was returning elsewhere, without a single promise.

I really should dig back into that conversation..

@epidiah
This is exactly my reaction.
Followed by "if the site is this slow and terrible, the app is gona be so much worse".

@epidiah "Hi, yeah we made this crummy, bloated mobile web site but we promise we way better at making apps!"

@Epidiah @simon_w I remain convinced that this is code for “we can track you better in our app.”

@Epidiah

Translated: our ad revenue is better in the app

@epidiah It's also untrue. I use excellent ad blockers and deshittification add-ons with Firefox, and as a result am rewarded with a superior online experience without letting the apps install all the garbage Corporate wants me to tote around with me so it's easier for them to 'tailor' advertising to 'suit my interests.'
#FuckCapitalism

@epidiah that always translates to me as “Please let us have more of your data! Use our tools to view content you already paid for!” No. No, I will not.

@epidiah I set up a userscript that redirects to an alternative UI. There is no login on this UI, but that's a good thing.

@epidiah@dice.camp I think it's...nah, it can't be reddit's fault. Must be the entirety of web standards.

@epidiah Plot twist: This looks better in the browser

“ooks better in the app” (as viewed inline) – I blame the Librarian.

@Epidiah Head Of Product and Head Of Marketing

@epidiah

"We intentionally made this page look worse in your browser."

@epidiah@dice.camp

said the wolf at Grandma's computer: "all the better to track you with, my dear"

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