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@hishgraphics is harum manis really that good ah? I've yet to try it.
The other day I saw mangoes from india, rm36 per kg. :O

@Munkao It's very savory. I think a huge reason why it's so expensive here is because you can't normally plant it outside of Perlis. However I do think that some of the other subspecies can give it a run for its money, like the chokanan mango. And I think the kuini mango smells 10 times sweeter.

@hishgraphics Oh why can't you plant it outside of Perlis? I think I saw it for sale at a nursery, the tree sapling I mean.

@Munkao I know of people bringing down to KL and eastward to Kelantan. For some reason, they don't flower, or the flower falls off before their become fruit I was told by someone in PJ.

It might have evolved to only bear fruit in Perlis subtropical (instead of general Malaysian equatorial) climate, same as south Thailand. E.g. Perlis is further north along the latitude line compared to Kelantan.

@hishgraphics Oh damn. that's really interesting!

@ubi @Munkao Fascinating. I've not read about this. It's always been something I suspected.

@hishgraphics @Munkao Here's the reference to the Kedawi region. It's Perlis, Langkawi and the part of Kedah north of the Kedah river. This reference is about butterflies, but I've noticed the same pattern with beetles and my friends have told me that they also observe similar distributions with other fauna.

It's interesting that we got here from a discussion about harummanis.

@irfan @hishgraphics @Munkao There's a whole field that studies this called biogeography and that is one of the classic case studies.

Basically we're on the Sunda plate, which has its own unique flora and fauna compared to Eurasia.

Fun fact: Malaysia used to be a biogeographic term until some politicians took it. Now biologists have to use Malesia as a substitute.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malesia

@ubi @irfan @hishgraphics Aw shit. these are so cool guys. Thanks! Things I miss out when Im not active on Socmeds.

@cendawanita @irfan @hishgraphics @Munkao Now I'm curious about this tankie theory. Where do they think the name comes from?

@ubi
Probably some “evil western forces created a bunch of colonial political entities out of South China Seas territories to hurt China” thing lol
@cendawanita @irfan @hishgraphics @Munkao

@rakyat
@ubi

Something like that lol.... Basically they feel it's so sus that the term predates the federation to begin with and that's evidence we're a neocolonial plot to break the communist wave etc etc.

So there's a kernel of truth (anthro-colonial fascination and categorization) that yields a farfetched conclusion (anything conspiratorial that won't accept opportunistic rolls of the dice + the UK being broke af)

@irfan @hishgraphics @Munkao

@cendawanita
IIRC, Philippines also once considered using Malaysia as it's name or something right?

@rakyat @ubi @irfan @hishgraphics

@Munkao
Ya iirc, but i don't think it was seriously pursued once it's clear the independence work is for the group of islands that share the same colonial administration (my recollection is that it was part of a conversation that was similar to the Melayu Raya idea, and where the subthread about mooting Malay as the nomenclature for all the natives/indigenous people in the area now known as the Philippines). I don't think Malaysia was seriously considered by anyone until the federation is happening in reflection to the distinctly different colonial/cultural contexts, hence the pan-regional choice that coincidentally () sounds a lot like Malaya.
@rakyat @ubi @irfan @hishgraphics

@cendawanita ooooh. so cool. Thanks for sharing! :D

@Munkao
Np i also better refresh my memory.

@youronlyone
A lot of that explanation for the name is retroactive backformation. I certainly have grown up with the narrative that Malaysia is meant to be a name that represents the four (now three) territories but it's like our official explanation for the national flag makes no reference to it being inspired by the US flag

But Munkao's question is more to do what's going on in the Philippines itself, not the various regional groupings like Maphilindo. One Filipino episode of the whole naming issue that's been getting recent coverage is this one lol: https://www.esquiremag.ph/long-reads/features/philippines-almost-renamed-malaysia-a00289-20220601-lfrm

ETA: but also it's not so much that Malaya kicked out Singapore. The funniest way I'll describe it is tht it was a badly calculated game of chicken for the Malaya side of Malaysia, and badly calculated because based on recently made-public papers, PAP was ready to take Singapore out, as they could see their federal prospects to take KL diminished.

@rakyat @ubi @hishgraphics @Munkao @irfan

@cendawanita@mefi.social Ahh! I missed that article, thank you for pointing it out.

That is interesting. I don't recall that bit of history (probably was taught in early elementary). But, yeah, how I wish the Pan-Malayan Union panned out. It's wider in scope too.

Thank you for sharing!

PS. It deserves an alternate history fiction, I certainly want to know how things would have been if it became a reality.


@rakyat@hachyderm.io @ubi@ecoevo.social @hishgraphics@dice.camp @Munkao@dice.camp @irfan@calckey.social

@youronlyone
Definitely!
@rakyat @ubi @hishgraphics @Munkao @irfan

@cendawanita @youronlyone @rakyat @ubi @Munkao @irfan

All this amazing discussion because of mangoes!

@hishgraphics

Actually, tha happens often in many of our #tootSea conversations.

@cendawanita @youronlyone @rakyat @ubi @Munkao @irfan

@gowin

My curiosity led me to play with Bard and ended up with this: https://c.im/@youronlyone/110412593614053181

Haha. Now, we just need a fiction writer and worldbuilder to continue it. (PS We need #AltHistory set in the #Philippines and #ASEAN!)

@hishgraphics @cendawanita @youronlyone@calckey.social @rakyat @ubi @Munkao @irfan

@youronlyone@c.im @gowin @hishgraphics @cendawanita @youronlyone@calckey.social @rakyat @Munkao @irfan
There is an anthology of SEA steampunk stories published in Malaysia. It had some Philippine authors if I remember correctly.
https://www.nlb.gov.sg/biblio/202544696

Also a Strange Horizons issue of SFF featuring SEA writers and editors.
http://strangehorizons.com/issue/29-august-2022/

@gowin
Time for Great Malesia to be reunited
@ubi @irfan @hishgraphics @Munkao

@rakyat
Lololol let's just time travel to the 1960s and pick up the Melayu Raya gang otw
@gowin @ubi @irfan @hishgraphics @Munkao

@skinnylatte Oh really? I must try then. My usual is just mango susu because I am a glutton and I eat loads so I buy the cheapest.
But now I will splurge on at least 1 or 2 Indian mango.

@hishgraphics