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This toot, about the story about the boy who cried wolf,

beige.party/@intransitivelie/1

is excellent, as are many of the replies. Examples such as this one, with many replies and conversations in effect, make me wish that #ActivityPub were based on #nntp to make it easier to read.

beige.partyTrivial Einstein (@intransitivelie@beige.party)Imagine if the boy who cried wolf had actually seen a wolf every time, but by crying wolf he scared the wolf away. The villagers would show up, and there's this boy pointing at the forest and saying they just missed the wolf and weren't they lucky he had been there to warn them. And the villagers would probably take that badly, after the first time. They'd probably write a story about it. Meanwhile, the boy is scared shitless. On the one hand, there's this fucking wolf who is getting more and more brazen. Maybe next time the boy won't be able to scare the wolf away. And then not only will the boy be in trouble, but the village will be in trouble. Meanwhile on the other hand he knows that if he keeps crying wolf, either the villagers will stop showing up at all, or they'll view him as a bigger problem than the wolf. Either way, the boy is going to be in deep shit there too. You might forgive the boy for getting the fuck out of dodge. Let someone else watch for wolves. See how they like it. But he doesn't. He stays and watches, and the wolf comes back, and this time none of the boy's cries drive the wolf away because the wolf can sense that no one from the village is coming. And the villagers stand by and listen to the boy's increasingly desperate screams until it's too late. Who's the hero of this story? Now, if you were a villager who had just committed negligent homicide by wolf, which turned out to have been a very real risk, you could do two things. You could learn from this experience that sometimes warnings should be heeded regardless of whether they seem to be false alarms because it's better to go out to defend the flocks from a wolf a thousand times when there's no wolf than it is not to go once when there is. That's the sensible thing to do, certainly. The money is on overreacting if overreacting is low-cost and the risk of under-reacting is high. Or you could write your story about this boy who fucked around and found out. That makes you look better, I guess. And it relieves you of responsibility for defense of the village and your livelihoods. The boy should have known better. You may have figured out that I'm not talking about boys and wolves anymore. We have a whole classic parable on the subject of not crying wolf, to the point where "crying wolf" is something of a dead cliché. In the English-speaking world, pretty much everyone knows what "to cry wolf" means, even if they've never actually heard the parable. We don't think about the story. We make the semantic leap from the phrase to "false positive." And we are taught over and over that crying wolf is always bad. Which is why we find ourselves in situations like the one in which we currently find ourselves. We are victims of survivorship bias: we only remember the times when the warnings seemed unfounded because if they had been founded we wouldn't be here to notice. Fascism stalks the forest like a horde of hungry wolves, but because we only remember the times when fascism didn't eat us, we think all warnings are unfounded. Never mind that in most cases not only were the warnings founded but the action taken in response to those warnings was what kept fascism at bay. Look at Y2K, which, if you're too young to remember, was something of a joke. It was regularly held up as a giant cry of wolf because, well, the world didn't end when the clock ticked over. Very little happened, really. So everyone breathed a sigh of relief and immediately set to work making sure that we forgot some inconvenient facts. Y2K "didn't happen" because a lot of unappreciated work was done to keep it from happening. A lot. Far more than we were told in the general public. This was, after all, the era of Reaganomics, when the Democrat who was in office was about as conservative as a lot of Republicans were, where it seemed like everyone had a hardon for gutting government spending and bureaucracy. So the unsexy work of making sure that the world didn't end was just waste, right? What about September 11, about a year later? Turns out that there were large numbers of boys who had been crying wolf about Al Qaeda for years, but a lot of unappreciated work was done in an attempt to keep that wolf at bay. It wasn't going in guns blazing, and it wasn't necessarily the ideal way to do it, but it also wasn't sexy so no one paid much attention. Pandemics past have been averted and turned into jokes. Swine flu? Huge joke. Bird flu? Nothingburger. All wolves which failed to eat us, largely because someone cried and then unsexy work was done because of that warning. But we don't need the CDC. It's a waste of taxpayer dollars. After all, what has it ever done for us? There was never a wolf to defend against. We teach our children what we want them to know. And what we want them to know is that it's always worse to be an inconvenient Cassandra than a dead Tiresias. It's better to hold your tongue and let the wolf eat everything than it is to give a warning too soon, before you can see the whites of its eyes as it were. Keep your powder dry. Don't be too hasty. And what's the life of one annoying boy, after all? And another. And another. Something keeps eating the boys you send out to watch the sheep, but as long as they don't cry, you don't have to deal with that. Teach your children silence. There might not be a wolf after all. [EDIT TO POSTSCRIPT: There's good stuff in the replies. I know that fedi makes it hard to see replies sometimes, and I know that frequently replies are unreadable garbage anyway, but in this case several excellent points have been raised by people other than me which don't really work without context, but you're reading this so you have context, so go read them.]
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@usenet@lemmy.world

Behold! The net cop gives expensive advice! You are basically requiring that I pay for yet another ERC20 cryptocurrency token just to send text messages.

From the Autonomi site:
"WHEN SOMEONE (A PERSON OR A COLLECTIVE) UPLOADS DATA THEY PAY A FEE TO DO SO."
"+1 Million tokens on offer for early contributors."
MaidSafe is credited as having invented the ICO. I wouldn't touch it or any of its descendant projects with a ten-foot pole.
"MaidSafe are the team behind Autonomi ..."
Didn't you learn from Maidsafe+Mastercoin ICO and ten thousand other ICOs already? The purpose of digital 'tokens' is to separate gullible people from their dollars or euros or yuan or rubles, providing in return something they could already have for free or so cheap it's nearly free. It appears that the people behind Maidsafe are also behind the crypto token you are suggesting, for merely posting text files. Get outta here!

Newscard has several selling points:

0. It's not for sale. Try that with Autonomi, Maidsafe, and a thousand others.
1. It is free, unlike your suggested cryptocurrency pump.
2. My solution is simple and elegant - naming small text files for retrieval.
3. Newscard uses existing infrastructure already in operation for decades.
4. Many mature client softwares and terminal emulators already exist for the task.
5. Newscard doesn't require investment or payment.
6. Newscard doesn't have an integrated, useless payment system.
7. Newscard is ANONYMOUS and uses The Onion Network by default.
8. Users won't lose their money when using Newscard.

And my Newscard solution doesn't require taking zillions of dollars from people who will likely never see a return on their token investment. Storage token sale schemes are a dime a dozen. I can't believe you think I have the credulity to swallow such a scheme.

For almost two decades running countless crews have claimed that they will, 'decentralize the Internet' if you give them your money.

Newsflash: The Internet already is decentralized. Decentralization is a basic part of the design of the Internet. It already routes around damage and censorship by default. Why do I need to pay for a crypto token for something that already exists? Decentralized Usenet has been in continuous operation for decades. I'm already using the 'decentralized Internet' for the Newscard protocol. I've been using the 'decentralized Internet' since forever! It doesn't need to be decentralized by crypto pump schemes. The Internet is already decentralized.

So we already have a decentralized Internet where data storage is abundant and cheap. And these token pumpers want to set themselves up as gatekeepers so we have to pay them to get the tokens to store our data. That is not decentralization. That is the essence of a centralized monetary gatekeeper!

You accused me of misusing Usenet. Yet I am only doing what people have done with Usenet for decades--posting encrypted messages. I'm not misusing Usenet. You're misusing my patience for cryptocurrency dumps and re-hashed token sales strategies.

#CryptoCurrency #Tokens #Decentralization #Usenet #NNTP #Internet #Censorship #Blockchain
NEWSCARD: Decentralized, Encrypted Paste Bin via Usenet Newsgroups

NEWSCARD Publish and fetch permanent named records via Network News

Newscard creates a decentralized, encrypted, named record paste bin.

[git repo] https://codeberg.org/OCTADE/newscard (use most recent version only)

With a single command, name the card, snarf the file and encrypt it.

With another command, push the encrypted file to the public network.

With another short command, snarf a file from the network.

Only users knowing the name [key] of the record will be able to decrypt it.

If a strong passphrase is used to name the file, it will be very secure.

This is useful for quickly snarfing, encrypting, and publishing a text file:

$~: card enc [passphrase] [file]
$~: card put [passphrase]

It is useful for retrieving a text file with just a key:

$~: card get [passphrase]
$~: card show [passphrase]

If and when you want the general public to access the record just share the keyword.

Newscard uses nine (9) (NINE) layers of encryption with OpenSSL chacha20 cipher.

Newscard generates 9 each of: cipher keys, salts, key iteration parameters.

It would be nice if something like this were added to the ActivityPub protocol, such that keyword[@]host.url would do the same thing. Then secret text records could be stored securely for later retrieval or revelation.

#NewsCard #Pastebin #Usenet #NNTP #NetworkNews #Encryption #Cryptography #Messaging #Anonymity #Protocols #OpenSource #FreeSoftware #BlackHackJack #Censorship #Retro #InfoSec #Ciphers #Codes #FOSS

@infostorm@a.gup.pe @usenet@lemmy.world @crypto@a.gup.pe @infosec@a.gup.pe
I found a new Usenet interface: News Grouper.

https://newsgrouper.org.uk/

"This website provides access to the worldwide Usenet discussion system. Usenet was established in 1980 and may be considered the first "social network". It is organised into Groups for the discussion of particular topics and/or for particular geographical areas. Within a group, messages (also called articles, or posts) are grouped into discussion threads. A thread consists of an initial messages, followed any replies to that message and replies to the replies etc.. "

#NewsGrouper #Usenet #NNTP #NetworkNews #Newsgroups #SocialNetworks #News

@usenet@a.gup.pe @infostorm@a.gup.pe

I've noticed a lot of people asking on the #fediverse recently whether or not there is a good #substitute for #FacebookGroups, and I just want to point out again that #InterNetNews still works great for group discussions and #groupware, and is still capable of being used as a private #newsgroup server with #moderation and #federation via #NNTP.

#INN is still in active development, with v2.7.2 being released in June 2024. What it really needs is a great HTTP gateway.

eyrie.org/~eagle/software/inn/

www.eyrie.orgINN
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@vga256@dialup.cafe

I am planning to eventually post in alt.rhubarb again when I release my next hobby projects. I'm not too impressed with some of the busy newsgroups because of trolls and nutters.

Other groups I watch but rarely post to:

rocksolid.nodes.help
sci.crypt
comp.os.plan9 (moderated by plan9 devs)
alt.cyberpunk
alt.folklore.computers
alt.hackers
news.admin.peering
hispagatos.talk
alt.cypherpunks
alt.privacy.anon-server

I follow some others and usually I don't find myself much interested in the discussions.

Modern Usenet is different than its heyday. Messages are generally much more infrequent. It seems more of a bulletin board than a discussion forum these days.

#Usenet #NNTP #Newsgroups
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Rocksolid Light is maturing well and I prefer Usenet over the Fediverse. The code maintainer just recently added some BBS games to the portal.

There is a #Usenet Fediverse/Lemmy group to which you can inform 272 subscribers of #NNTP related stuff:

usenet_lemmy.ml (replace the underscore with 'at' sign.).

Just put a mention address for the group and your subject as the first line then all the subscribers will see it. Your first line will show up as the subject in the group, so be sure to put the mention addresses below your toot message, not above it. Here is the link to the Lemmy Usenet group where you can get the mention address:

https://lemmy.ml/c/usenet

I didn't put the address in here because I don't want this post going to the group.

@vga256@dialup.cafe

#Usenet #NNTP #Newsgroups
lemmy.mlUsenet - LemmyFor the discussion about usenet providers, indexers, and newsgroups.
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I just read your recent blog article about tomo bbs. I would like to pull the code and poke around. It is an interesting project. Do you have a link to a public code repository?

I have done some theming for the Rocksolid Light portal, so anything connected to that is interesting to me.

Here is my demo mini theme: https://news.octade.net (username: 'guest', password 'guest123', chars in reversed order).

#tomo #BBS #Usenet #NNTP #RocksolidLight #retro #forums #OpenSource
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I see questions about chat, communication, and forum solutions often enough that I figure I should write a descriptive post of several options to keep around for recycling. Since I don't know your exact needs I will describe three options here. Two options are very modern and has a lot of features and the third is very retro and simple text-based forum software with some cool privacy and federation features.

Delta Chat is a email-based chat app. I can use chatmail servers or email servers. It is end-to-end encrypted. (https://delta.chat/en/). If your correspondents have POP/IMAP/SMTP email accounts they can use DeltaChat.

Delta Chat supports group chats and in-chat apps that you can create. It also now supports audio/video calls however they require using a link-based service.

If you want video and audio calls through your own XMPP server, or just private chat, XMPP is the way to go. Movim is a very mature server application for managing a social and chat network based on XMPP protocol. (https://movim.eu/) Movim allows you to federate with other servers similar to how Mastodon servers federate, and it has more features not available in Mastodon, including video conferencing.

Movim has chat, blogs, chat rooms, and even screen sharing support.

If you want a public readable text-based forum without video or audio calls then Rocksolid Light is an option.

Rocksolid Light is a NNTP server with a web forum front end: https://novabbs.org. You can run a private or public node, and even a private or public federated network.

Rocksolid Light has several themes included in the distribution. Here is the same server software running with a very different front end theme: https://news.octade.net (username: 'guest', password is 'guest123' reversed)

You don't have to federate your Rocksolid Light server, but it you want you can federate it. If you federate it, you can send encrypted BBS mail messages between users on different domains. You can also compose encrypted PGP/Mime messages in a newsreader and post them encrypted to a newsgroup for that purpose, so your encryption keys don't have to reside on the server.

The bonus with NNTP is that users can read and post using a dedicated newsreader client that is threaded and has filtering and very compact message threading. You can also download all new messages at once and then read them and write the replies while offline.

Movim is a very highly developed option that includes everything including the kitchen sink, so if you want to grow into audio and video conferencing and federate blogs, it is a superior option. Movim has a very modern interface compared to Rocksolid Light. The advantage of Rocksolid Light is its old-timey simplicity for text-based discussion threads.

More about Movim is described here: https://itsfoss.com/movim/.

More open source WhatsApp alternatives are described here:
https://itsfoss.com/private-whatsapp-alternatives/

#DeltaChat #E2E #Encryption #Movim #XMPP #Jabber #RocksolidLight #Servers #NNTP #Usenet #Forums #FreeSoftware #Newsgroups #NetworkNews #Retro #OldSchool
delta.chatDelta Chat: Delta Chat, decentralized secure messenger
More from Delta Chat

A couple of years ago I took over the domain olduse.net - originally to be able to keep article.olduse.net running (which I created in 2011 to be able to link to archived usenet posts).

Here on the fediverse it was suggested that I restart the replay that the original olduse.net by Joey Hess ran from 2011 to 2021, and after thinking about that for a while I managed to put together a bespoke nntp-server to do just that, using the database I originally put together for article.olduse.net.

Since then I have added a port where you via nntp can access what usenet looked like 40 years ago, 41 years ago, 42 years, 43 years ago, 44 years ago - and now 45 years ago!

Come May 2025, you can connect to olduse.net port 11945 and start consuming usenet as it looked 45 years ago (the oldest article in the archive is from Fri May 16 10:29:40 1980).

Happy new year!

olduse.netolduse.net - usenet archive nntp replayAccess usenet archive in 'real time' with 40-45 years delay, as if it was happening now
@bookstodon@a.gup.pe @histodons@a.gup.pe @academicchatter@a.gup.pe @actuallyautistic@a.gup.pe @palestine@a.gup.pe @infodump@a.gup.pe

== Usenet: Network News Free Speech Network ==

(303 words. Read time 2-3 minutes. Save and share!)

## Contents ##

1. Introduction
2. Ways to access Usenet
3. Links to Usenet hosts and software
4. Rough traffic count

Do you remember Network News, AKA Usenet? At over 40 years old, Usenet is the original 'social network'. Usenet is the oldest bastion of digital free speech networks.

Usenet is highly resistant to censorship. For decades Usenet has served as a free speech haven. It has also served as a platform for secure and anonymous messaging.

I suspect that many of GenY and GenZ have never heard of Usenet. We can change that. We can alert them to this censorship-resistant network as an alternative to highly censored social media.

## Ways to access Usenet ##

There are multiple ways to access Usenet:

- web front ends
- dedicated graphical clients
- dedicated terminal clients

## Links to Usenet hosts and software ##

Users can access Usenet to read and post by installing free client software or by visiting a host that provides web browser access.

* Free Forum front end for Usenet: https://novabbs.org

* Free Usenet servers list: https://sybershock.com/#usenet

* Free Usenet reader software:

- Thunderbird https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/
- Betterbird https://www.betterbird.eu/
- Claws Mail https://www.claws-mail.org/
- Sylpheed https://sylpheed.sraoss.jp/en/
- Seamonkey https://www.seamonkey-project.org/

## Rough traffic count ##

A few days ago when I counted, more than 16 thousand articles were posted in Usenet threads in a 24-hour period. I checked today as of a few minutes past midnight GMT, and almost 12 thousand articles were posted in the past 24-hour period. At this rate about 4.4 million articles would be posted in a single year.

Share this information with your friends!

#Usenet #NNTP #NetworkNews #SocialMedia #SocialNetworks #FreeSpeech #Censorship
@usenet@a.gup.pe @usenet@lemmy.ml @usenet@lemmy.world @iscdotorg@fosstodon.org

=== Usenet: Network News Free Speech Network ===

(303 words. Read time 2-3 minutes. Save and share!)

## Contents ##

1. Introduction
2. Ways to access Usenet
3. Links to Usenet hosts and software
4. Rough traffic count

Do you remember Network News, AKA Usenet? At over 40 years old, Usenet is the original 'social network'. Usenet is the oldest bastion of digital free speech networks.

Usenet is highly resistant to censorship. For decades Usenet has served as a free speech haven. It has also served as a platform for secure and anonymous messaging.

I suspect that many of GenY and GenZ have never heard of Usenet. We can change that. We can alert them to this censorship-resistant network as an alternative to highly censored social media.

## Ways to access Usenet ##

There are multiple ways to access Usenet:

- web front ends
- dedicated graphical clients
- dedicated terminal clients

## Links to Usenet hosts and software ##

Users can access Usenet to read and post by installing free client software or by visiting a host that provides web browser access.

* Free Forum front end for Usenet: https://novabbs.org

* Free Usenet servers list: https://sybershock.com/#usenet

* Free Usenet reader software:

- Thunderbird https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/
- Betterbird https://www.betterbird.eu/
- Claws Mail https://www.claws-mail.org/
- Sylpheed https://sylpheed.sraoss.jp/en/
- Seamonkey https://www.seamonkey-project.org/

## Rough traffic count ##

A few days ago when I counted, more than 16 thousand articles were posted in Usenet threads in a 24-hour period. I checked today as of a few minutes past midnight GMT, and almost 12 thousand articles were posted in the past 24-hour period. At this rate about 4.4 million articles would be posted in a single year.

Share this information with your friends!

#Usenet #NNTP #NetworkNews #SocialMedia #SocialNetworks #FreeSpeech #Censorship