The #4opens vs. liberal tokenism in #openweb tech https://hamishcampbell.com/the-4opens-vs-liberal-tokenism-in-openweb-tech/ This should not be about reinventing the wheel. We really don’t need another set of guidelines that sound good but change nothing.
@witchescauldron I'm way behind the curve on modern coding and implementation but I'm anxious that #openweb is released even in #beta form as soon as. I'll adopt it and stress test it. I'm very good at breaking things 
#fediverse yay!
Development - Next Steps for #OGB
The #OGB (Open Governance Body) is a native #openweb project to enable decentralized, transparent governance for grassroots media and activist networks. However, like many open projects, it faces significant development roadblocks.
Currently, the challenge is moving beyond theory into implementation. The stalled dev work at http://unite.openworlds.info highlights the common issue: lack of dedicated developer focus. The problem isn’t just writing code; it’s building a bridge between activist needs and functional, people-friendly tools. The #geekproblem looms large, developers work in isolation, disconnected from real-world social movements, or they get caught in perfectionism instead of delivering working prototypes.
What #OGB needs is practical iteration: a rough, working proof of concept, rather than endlessly debating the ideal model. The project requires coders willing to work openly, embracing the #4opens (open source, open standards, open process, open data). The biggest blocker? A culture that prioritizes control over collaboration.
"No real commitment from “allies”, the move to the #openweb was ignored by the #mainstreaming left who stay on the #dotcons…The liberal crowd loves theory, but often won’t do the hard work of actually shifting paradigms, this leaves in place structural hostility to #DIYCulture, PEOPLE ARE SO TRAINED TO CONSUME RATHER THAN CREATE & MAINTAIN that even the “alternative” spaces get stuck replicating the same individualist consumption patterns."
From: @eliasulrich
https://hachyderm.io/@eliasulrich/114245314539691549
"The #Mastodon codebase is an example here, it was designed by copying the #dotcons, so the fundamental social architecture reinforces #stupidindividualism rather than community building. Instead of nurturing federated, collective spaces, it encourages a kind of fragmented, isolated posting, which is why it struggles to grow meaningful movements.
No real commitment from “allies”, the move to the #openweb was ignored by the #mainstreaming left who stay on the #dotcons even though they are evil. The liberal crowd loves theory, but often won’t do the hard, unglamorous work of actually shifting paradigms, this leaves in place structural hostility to #DIY Culture, PEOPLE ARE SO TRAINED TO CONSUME RATHER THAN CREATE AND MAINTAIN that even the “alternative” spaces get stuck replicating the same individualist consumption patterns."
Just learned about #openvide today. Did you give it a try? What's your experience like?
How to use the social web in Ghost https://ghost.org/help/social-web/?ref=activitypub.ghost.org #ActivityPub #IndieWeb #OpenWeb #Fediverse
The #openweb has enormous benefits, but it will not always be the right tool for every situation. There are mature technologies available for privacy and control, but the desire to mix these with the #openweb comes from #mainstreaming liberalism’s flawed assumption that social media should be private rather than inherently public. We must accept that decentralized #openweb platforms and encrypted peer-to-peer chat are distinct and should coexist without making the same mistakes of centralized #dotcons social media.
- The #openweb is for public, transparent discourse.
- Encrypted chat is for private, secure conversations.
Forcing these into a single system reproduces the mistakes of the centralized internet and feeds the next generation of #dotcons. Instead, focusing on the #4opens and leaving hard privacy to peer-to-peer encrypted tools is the "native" path forward.
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L’article de @Daojoan me paraissait très bien. En voici une traduction en français : https://arkhi.org/fr/weblog/2025-03-16-géants-du-web-prison-web-ouvert-liberté/
Merci @vincent pour la relecture !
Whatever happened to #WordPressP2? I recall it in the early 2010s as a way to turn a #WordPress site into a #selfhosted #Twitter alternative. Then they started marketing it as a #Slack alternative, emphasizing the way they use it internally to guide #remotework called [happy tools](https://happy.tools/). Seems like it hasn't caught fire as either of these. Why not an #openweb alt to #Mastodon and other #Fediverse #microblogging tools via the #activitypub plug-in?
@photomatt
@benda @rooftopjaxx with Mozilla I stopped going to their #openweb events about ten years ago, I could feel they were lost then, #NGO stuff is very easy to subvert, it's kinda built in to the path. What we do about this is not easy as currently grassroots #DIY tech spaces are hollowed out. We need to make this more visible, then somehow build a bridge to resources to refill these spaces. This is not a #KISS issue. And it's not improving currently.
#mainstreaming in the hashtag story https://hamishcampbell.com/?s=hashtag+story is about a social view of the #openweb
#mainstreaming is our desirer to belong to the current worshipping of the #deathcult (a practical metaphor for #neoliberalisam) so in a different context #mainstreaming might be the right thing to do, BUT not in the current context.
For example, #mainstreaming the #openweb is good as far as the values of the open web transfer to the mainstream and bad in the content of the #ministreaming infusing the openweb so context matters.
This was a post from 7 years ago: We do live in interesting times — again — for the #openweb. Let’s try to do better than last time 
. The truth is, we completely messed up the last decade of tech development. And yes, we lost a critical battle around 2008. What followed was a lost decade where #openweb tech devolved into a steaming pile of #techshit. Maybe it’s time to start composting? Do you need a shovel? #OMN
Q: What exactly is being proposed here? Can you explain the vision in more detail?
A: The vision is pretty straightforward: use the #4opens as a foundation to replace Google’s gatekeeping of search. The idea is to build #openweb projects that can initially supplement, and eventually replace, the #dotcons in this space. Whether or not the #fashernistas push this mainstream is secondary — the work is worth doing either way.
On the #OMN side, the current focus is rebooting #Indymedia as a decentralized, trust-based publishing network, and launching the #ResistanceExhibition for public archiving of grassroots struggles. These are tangible, practical projects built with a #KISS approach to keep things simple and functional, rather than getting lost in the usual cycle of over-complication.
We’re also seeing a wave of #fashernistas flooding into #openweb development. Expect to see plenty of replays of the #geekproblem as people chase trends rather than build sustainable solutions. Hopefully, this will be balanced out by a continued focus on healthy #4opens development — the kind that centers community needs over tech fetishism.
At least for now, the #encryptionists have been pushed into the background by the spectacular failures of #crypto fantasies. But if we don’t actively build alternatives, these bad ideas will keep coming back. The key is to stay grounded, keep shoveling the compost, and grow something real.
The future of the #openweb isn’t going to build itself — but the roots are still alive. Let’s dig in. 
So many reasons to move beyond #Google. Hope #Mozilla listens and develops alternative revenue sources. Partnering with privacy-focused, non-U.S. service providers (like they did with #Mullvad) would be a strong first step toward truly championing user rights.
Sign the petition https://mozillapetition.com
#DigitalPrivacy #OpenWeb
White Lies About Security and Privacy in the Fediverse
We’re told small white lies about security and privacy to get us to boot up #Mastodon. But the truth is, this #openweb tech is about dancing elephants throwing paper planes as a security/privacy model.
Yes, this is simply not the right tool for the “common sense” privacy and control needs the #geekproblem have. In reality, there’s already a wealth of mature, privacy-focused tech out there built specifically for that path.
Enclosing the “commons” is a dark chapter in history for native societies — and we risk repeating this mistake if we misunderstand the political roots of decentralized social media.
Let’s pause and check the unspoken/unthinking political aspect of this. Much of the desire to retrofit heavy privacy into the #Fediverse comes from #mainstreaming liberalism, which frames everything through fear and control. But the Fediverse wasn’t born from that path, it emerged from a trust-based, anarchistic culture.
At its core, social media is:
Social (one-to-many)
Media (sharing news and events)
It’s an inherently public activity.
On the other hand, encrypted chat (one-on-one or in small groups) is an inherently private activity.
The #dotcons messily mix these two spheres together, but only because their centralized architecture makes it possible (and profitable). Of course, this is a black lie, since these platforms don’t actually respect the privacy they promise. Their entire business model depends on violating it.
In the decentralized #openweb, public and private spaces have generally been separate and tidy — and that’s a good thing.
But lately, some online discussions feel like an attempt to deliberately blur these lines, reproducing the #mainstreaming model under the guise of “common sense”, to the same failed path we’ve been trapped in for 20 years.
We don’t need to reproduce the mess.
We can have the best of both worlds:
Public, federated social media built around the #4opens
Private, encrypted communication for individuals and groups in P2P chat
Let’s keep our focus on the true nature of social media and build tools that respect both public and private spheres, without falling back into the traps of the #deathcult.
These aren’t pointless projects
#mainstreaming #liberalism has lost its way. For the past 20 years, many self-described liberals have spewed out bilge water disguised as "common sense." But when pressure mounts, they reveal themselves as dogmatic and intolerant, almost as if they aren't truly liberal at all. How did we end up in this mess? The #deathcult, #stupidindividualism, and the rise of #dotcons shaped the dominant version of "common sense," warping it away from collective care and into something narrow and […]
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Why the Fediverse Needs a Connection Between Mainstreaming and Grassroots
One of the best things about the Fediverse is that real people and community's get to choose what kind of digital paths they want to take. Don’t want #Meta snooping around? Join or host an instance that blocks them out. Prefer not to have people search your content? Lock it down in your settings. Want to mediate the strong #blinded flow of “normies”? Close the doors via your instance settings. It’s a "nativist" system that offers a radical degree of agency compared to the […]
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