I continued this today with 90 minutes of aikido by #Tissier at 09:30 in the morning. Then a four hour #DaitoRyu seminar on knife defences. Needless to say, I’m a tad knackered.

@3morereps oh and in relation to #aikido, #DaitoRyu is very clearly related. So not something 'completely different'. But curriculum is larger than what is usually taught in aikido and, yes, approach is a bit different.

I find their Sasuga's seminars inform my aikido to a great amount. In other words: I better understand what I'm (supposed to be) doing in aikido. The core.

At the same time, the flow in aikido is sometimes very enjoyable.

@3morereps now that’s an interesting question. It’s ‘tough’ in the sense that there is generally more consideration for how things really work, and locks tend to be done tighter and ukes less ‘easy’ (at least at Sasuga). However it is also very subtle and can feel almost effortless at times. But it is not easy! Sasuga is having an open seminar on #DaitoRyu in Helsinki on 29th of March. Open to anyone, if interested.

@driusan might be worth a visit at some point. Could be interesting to hear what it’s like :) Though there are nowadays many #DaitoRyu styles too. So it’s not necessarily a case of going to the ‘roots of aikido’. Most of them have evolved at least as much as #aikido from the days of Sokaku Takeda. His son made substantial changes to the curriculum.

I wonder if I’m the only person on the Fediverse who does #DaitoRyu #aikijujutsu? Due to federation I might be missing some people doing this traditional #jujutsu somewhere at the edges of this universe.

The result of that was a 15-20min post-class informal congregation of a few other newbies, with questions, and a quick no #ukemi demo of forms of #KoteGaeshi that are NOT usually taught, outside of #DaitoRyu and other #Jujutsu forms.

What attracted me to #Aikido was the inclusiveness, the flexibility and optional benevolence of the forms.

Many assume that, because of that optional benevolence, Aikido "doesn't work" because you don't leave a trail of bloody bodies behind you. The Aikido forms are direct from DaitoRyu. We train in a manner to not apply lethality or even likelihood of physical harm (apply #ukemi qualifiers here).

But never make categorical assertions, out of near absolute ignorance, about the effectiveness of a encompassing series of techniques you barely started to discover.Looks foolish.

Namely when someone proceeds to demonstrate a dozen or so forms of that technique you didn't know existed, and which show exactly what you said couldn't happen.

@faraiwe yes I’m aware #DaitoRyu #Takeda practised Ono Ha #IttoRyu #kenjutsu. What’s less clear is if he ever taught #aikido founder Ueshiba the Itto Ryu stuff. I would welcome any valid sources that would state that as it would be quite new insight.

The bokken I use in Ono Ha Itto Ryu is not, btw, the same as Iwama bokken. It is thick, yes, and relatively straight, but has a pointy end.

@sleepyfox if you get a chance to visit Finland then I highly recommend visiting Sasuga for that historical #DaitoRyu experience. They are doing basically what you are after. As I understand it, it might not be possible to find that even in Japan. Certainly not easy.

@sleepyfox btw the newer Daito Ryu curriculum appears to have changed quite a bit under Tokimune. So people looking for the historical perspective to #aikido by training most lines of #DaitoRyu are probably not getting what they think they want. Very few people teach primarily the old type of curriculum, as outlined also in the Soden books. Possibly only one dojo (#Sasuga in Helsinki). Their stuff is very clearly related to aikido, albeit with a lot that has disappeared from aikido.

@sleepyfox actually my own studies has shown the #aikido technique terms most likely are linked to the #DaitoRyu of the days (many lines of DR use the terms differently today). There is fair evidence that Takeda himself would have used the terms ikkajo, nikajo etc in the same way we do today for ikkyo, nikyo. Also, early aikido used the ‘kajo’ versions.